tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post8300117161830468461..comments2008-01-09T07:45:23.548-05:00Comments on Sandy's Place: THE questionSandy Carmanyscarmany@aol.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-31543932527034308772008-01-08T23:01:00.000-05:002008-01-08T23:01:00.000-05:00Hi Sandy,I apologize because I believe I was not c...Hi Sandy,<BR/><BR/>I apologize because I believe I was not clear.<BR/><BR/>My comment was much more general than this particular post.<BR/><BR/>In a much more general sense I believe that information that is legal to release should be....not really trying to address this specific post. :)<BR/><BR/>sorry....I'll try to be clearermebloginhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08908333996377711504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-68085108822858488712008-01-08T21:30:00.000-05:002008-01-08T21:30:00.000-05:00Meblogin,The law says that the employee's date of ...Meblogin,<BR/><BR/>The law says that the employee's date of hire, date of change of employment status, and his/her salary is public record. Anything beyond that is left up to the discretion of the governing body to restore the public trust and confidence.Sandy Carmanyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14283849527492932276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-49862874416555230102008-01-08T19:09:00.000-05:002008-01-08T19:09:00.000-05:00Thanks for your reply.If the law says that it is l...Thanks for your reply.<BR/><BR/>If the law says that it is legal to release to the public then it should be released. In no way am I trying to change law.....just want it followed. Are we saying the same thing or are you saying that council should withhold information that the law says can be released?mebloginhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08908333996377711504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-27062458224754637132008-01-07T20:05:00.000-05:002008-01-07T20:05:00.000-05:00Meblogin,I am not comfortable in making a blanket ...Meblogin,<BR/><BR/>I am not comfortable in making a blanket statement that "everything should always be released" to apply across the board to any and every situation that might arise. For me, it depends on the specific case and circumstances -- my "measuring stick" would be "Will the release of information damage or undermine an investigation, contaminate potential witness statements, make it Sandy Carmanyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14283849527492932276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-79684218952307609732008-01-07T09:48:00.000-05:002008-01-07T09:48:00.000-05:00Sandy,My short answer is that council should relea...Sandy,<BR/><BR/>My short answer is that council should release all information that is legally permitted. My guess is that in all instances there will be citizens that could care less and others that need full disclosure always. <BR/><BR/>Rather than pick and choose what is released, I would advise to release all information legally permitted. I can not imagine council seeing this topic any mebloginhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08908333996377711504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-469526934955345332008-01-07T09:21:00.000-05:002008-01-07T09:21:00.000-05:00I apologize, Meblogin -- I thought your question w...I apologize, Meblogin -- I thought your question was rhetorical. <BR/><BR/>The only guidance in the law of which I am aware says the information release can be made to restore the public trust and confidence. <BR/><BR/>My rhetorical question -- do you feel more trusting and confident now that you know more details of the incident?Sandy Carmanyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14283849527492932276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-42389734191362860962008-01-06T23:28:00.000-05:002008-01-06T23:28:00.000-05:00Hi Sandy,I asked a question a few days ago and ke...Hi Sandy,<BR/><BR/>I asked a question a few days ago and keep checking back for your reply or guidance.<BR/><BR/>thanks<BR/><BR/>If you prefer..drop me an email.mebloginhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08908333996377711504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-60199842270998647542007-12-31T21:21:00.000-05:002007-12-31T21:21:00.000-05:00Margaret,Why does it appear your reporting has bec...Margaret,<BR/><BR/>Why does it appear your reporting has become more Rhino like with negative comments toward the City Manager. I look to the N&R to provide some level of objectivity and let the public make up their minds.lmanuel83noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-77066650739512260562007-12-30T01:02:00.000-05:002007-12-30T01:02:00.000-05:00Does the law distinguish between public interest a...Does the law distinguish between public interest and public's curiosity? <BR/><BR/>I would have guessed the law defines what is public knowledge and what is not.<BR/><BR/>...feels like a slippery slope when interest and curiosity become subjective topics for city leadership to decide. <BR/><BR/>Happy New Yearmebloginhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08908333996377711504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-26445730681602951562007-12-29T23:59:00.000-05:002007-12-29T23:59:00.000-05:00I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but it se...I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but it seems that Trudy Wade is trying to relive her turbulent days as a county commissioner.<BR/><BR/>SANDY: WE MISS YOU!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-27719421264995331582007-12-27T23:34:00.000-05:002007-12-27T23:34:00.000-05:00"But that's really immaterial to the question I or..."But that's really immaterial to the question I originally posed -- is this information necessary for "the public good" or is it merely to satisfy our insatiable curiosity?" -- Sandy<BR/><BR/>Necessary for the public good. Democracies cannot function when government acts in secrecy. <BR/><BR/>That aside, it appears to me as if the city council fulfiled their obligations under current Roch101http://www.blogger.com/profile/09051431871719164688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-48330229443103428452007-12-27T16:56:00.000-05:002007-12-27T16:56:00.000-05:00Thanks for that information, Margaret. It will be...Thanks for that information, Margaret. It will be interesting to see what the "legal eagles" determine in this confusing situation. <BR/><BR/>In my amateur legal opinion, if there had been a 911 call to which officers responded or the alleged victim had taken out a warrant, this case would clearly fall into the criminal investigation/public information realm. But since it was filed as a Sandy Carmanyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14283849527492932276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-30942615905788867262007-12-27T13:18:00.000-05:002007-12-27T13:18:00.000-05:00Sandy, our position is that the details aren't pro...Sandy, our position is that the details aren't protected under personnel law. We filed suit today making such an argument.<BR/><BR/>http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071227/NRSTAFF/940998999Margaret Bankswww.news-record.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11275641.post-8473247205148801342007-12-27T11:25:00.000-05:002007-12-27T11:25:00.000-05:00I'm looking forward to a council that comprehends ...I'm looking forward to a council that comprehends state law.Roch101http://www.blogger.com/profile/09051431871719164688noreply@blogger.com